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		<title>By: Backpacking Dad</title>
		<link>http://backpackingdad.com/2009/09/feminism-and-the-immersed-parent/comment-page-2/#comment-20812</link>
		<dc:creator>Backpacking Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-expression that contradicts a goal means the goal isn&#039;t embraced. That&#039;s the price. Pay it or don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-expression that contradicts a goal means the goal isn&#39;t embraced. That&#39;s the price. Pay it or don&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: ehopeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>ehopeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the reminder to watch our words. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Patriarchy is and has been a great silencer. I think you&#039;ve done a fine job of inciting discussion, but please don&#039;t expect women to ever be quiet. Many women and mothers need the support of other women, and men for that matter. And they have every right to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the reminder to watch our words. </p>
<p>Patriarchy is and has been a great silencer. I think you&#39;ve done a fine job of inciting discussion, but please don&#39;t expect women to ever be quiet. Many women and mothers need the support of other women, and men for that matter. And they have every right to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Briar S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Briar S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am spreading this far and wide. BRAVO.</description>
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		<title>By: mouthy_broad</title>
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		<dc:creator>mouthy_broad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saw this post on &quot;brag on him&quot; at BlissD--great!

&quot;stop writing how hilariously incompetent your husband is...&quot; is exactly why so many sitcoms MAKE ME CRAZY. hot wife and fat bumbling man must go together! argh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saw this post on &#8220;brag on him&#8221; at BlissD&#8211;great!</p>
<p>&#8220;stop writing how hilariously incompetent your husband is&#8230;&#8221; is exactly why so many sitcoms MAKE ME CRAZY. hot wife and fat bumbling man must go together! argh.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was pointed to this post by an article at Blissfully Domestic, and I&#039;m so glad I took the time to read your post in its entirety.  I LOVE your new definition of feminism.  

It&#039;s so disheartening to me that we (men and women) are still so quick to insult one another&#039;s abilities (or what we perceive to be a lack thereof).  I loved the parallel that you drew between women insulting men&#039;s parenting skills and the lack of respect for women in the workplace.   Such a double standard, on both sides.  I suppose we can only pray that men and women begin to open their eyes to the importance of encouragement of (and belief in) the other&#039;s abilities.

Thanks for a wonderful post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pointed to this post by an article at Blissfully Domestic, and I&#8217;m so glad I took the time to read your post in its entirety.  I LOVE your new definition of feminism.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s so disheartening to me that we (men and women) are still so quick to insult one another&#8217;s abilities (or what we perceive to be a lack thereof).  I loved the parallel that you drew between women insulting men&#8217;s parenting skills and the lack of respect for women in the workplace.   Such a double standard, on both sides.  I suppose we can only pray that men and women begin to open their eyes to the importance of encouragement of (and belief in) the other&#8217;s abilities.</p>
<p>Thanks for a wonderful post!</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing all these other comments, FANTASTIC post. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing all these other comments, FANTASTIC post. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the mom, I&#039;m the breadwinner. I&#039;m also the person who&#039;d rather rake the leave and check the christmas lights than clean the bathroom and do the laundry. Lucky for me My husband is more domestic in that regard. My kids don&#039;t go to daycare because I stay  home during the day and work in the evenings and my husband stays home at night and works during the day. we &quot;tag-team&quot; parent and it works for us and for our kids. they get the best of us both and get equal time. Sometimes it&#039;s rough because we have to be in constant communication to stay on the same page and I have on numerous occasions defended my husband and his parenting. I&#039;m lucky I can go to work at 3pm and know...KNOW that my kids will be looked after as if i was there doing it myself. I have complete confidence in him. My aunt has on more than one occasion made a comment about him &quot;babysitting&quot; the kids and he was the one who stepped up and said they are his kids and he parents them the same as I do. Although she comes from the generation where  mom stayed home, her mother worked and Dad (my grandfather) stayed home. 

Sometimes though, our spouses parenting techniques just annoy us and writing about helps. If I didn&#039;t vent about it some days my head would blow up. If he reads well too bad for him. But on the same note, he complains some times about my parenting techniques and it&#039;s hard to take it but I do and we move on. It doesn&#039;t change the fact that he&#039;s a great dad - and immersed father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the mom, I&#8217;m the breadwinner. I&#8217;m also the person who&#8217;d rather rake the leave and check the christmas lights than clean the bathroom and do the laundry. Lucky for me My husband is more domestic in that regard. My kids don&#8217;t go to daycare because I stay  home during the day and work in the evenings and my husband stays home at night and works during the day. we &#8220;tag-team&#8221; parent and it works for us and for our kids. they get the best of us both and get equal time. Sometimes it&#8217;s rough because we have to be in constant communication to stay on the same page and I have on numerous occasions defended my husband and his parenting. I&#8217;m lucky I can go to work at 3pm and know&#8230;KNOW that my kids will be looked after as if i was there doing it myself. I have complete confidence in him. My aunt has on more than one occasion made a comment about him &#8220;babysitting&#8221; the kids and he was the one who stepped up and said they are his kids and he parents them the same as I do. Although she comes from the generation where  mom stayed home, her mother worked and Dad (my grandfather) stayed home. </p>
<p>Sometimes though, our spouses parenting techniques just annoy us and writing about helps. If I didn&#8217;t vent about it some days my head would blow up. If he reads well too bad for him. But on the same note, he complains some times about my parenting techniques and it&#8217;s hard to take it but I do and we move on. It doesn&#8217;t change the fact that he&#8217;s a great dad &#8211; and immersed father.</p>
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		<title>By: Di</title>
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		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I recently started reading your blog, and am enjoying it. Thanks for this post, just as I was starting to feel put upon by my husband. We need more  immersed parenting, and more people like you to write about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I recently started reading your blog, and am enjoying it. Thanks for this post, just as I was starting to feel put upon by my husband. We need more  immersed parenting, and more people like you to write about it.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an excellent post! Well written, well argued, and well delivered. It was so interesting to read your perspective, and to think about how gender roles have been so challenged in the last few years. I love it! 

It is, unfortunately, sometimes difficult to put thoughts like this into practice, especially when you are operating in a traditional marriage situation. My husband is a physician who works oodles of hours a week and I am a stay-at-home mom (I was working on a Ph.D. but put that on hold to take care of my son). Even in spite of how much my husband works, he always does his best to pitch in at home and take care of our son as much as he can. And it&#039;s hard. I think that having a baby changes the dynamic of a relationship. and it teaches you things about yourself and your partner that you weren&#039;t prepared to learn, so sometimes it&#039;s difficult to avoid falling into the standard &quot;dad bashing&quot; or &quot;mom bashing&quot;, or however it goes. Add to that the fact that, just as you pointed out, it is socially acceptable for women to complain about their husbands (you should read the article from Parenting titled &quot;Mad at Dad&quot; @ http://www.parenting.com/article/Mom/Relationships/Mad-at-Dad) and it makes it really hard. 

I also wanted to mention that, just like you said that women look down their noses at stay-at-home dads, there is sort of the same reaction to stay-at-home moms...FROM OTHER MOMS! I think when it comes down to it, we should just stop trying to put a title on the mentality that we all are equal (i.e. &quot;feminism&quot;), and just start respecting each other&#039;s personal decisions in life. I applaud your heroism in the home, and your wife&#039;s as well, for accepting and allowing the changes to happen.

Three cheers for your family! 
M :)
http://Mandthe2Henrys.blogspot.com
http://HomemakerPhD.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an excellent post! Well written, well argued, and well delivered. It was so interesting to read your perspective, and to think about how gender roles have been so challenged in the last few years. I love it! </p>
<p>It is, unfortunately, sometimes difficult to put thoughts like this into practice, especially when you are operating in a traditional marriage situation. My husband is a physician who works oodles of hours a week and I am a stay-at-home mom (I was working on a Ph.D. but put that on hold to take care of my son). Even in spite of how much my husband works, he always does his best to pitch in at home and take care of our son as much as he can. And it&#8217;s hard. I think that having a baby changes the dynamic of a relationship. and it teaches you things about yourself and your partner that you weren&#8217;t prepared to learn, so sometimes it&#8217;s difficult to avoid falling into the standard &#8220;dad bashing&#8221; or &#8220;mom bashing&#8221;, or however it goes. Add to that the fact that, just as you pointed out, it is socially acceptable for women to complain about their husbands (you should read the article from Parenting titled &#8220;Mad at Dad&#8221; @ <a href="http://www.parenting.com/article/Mom/Relationships/Mad-at-Dad)" rel="nofollow">http://www.parenting.com/article/Mom/Relationships/Mad-at-Dad)</a> and it makes it really hard. </p>
<p>I also wanted to mention that, just like you said that women look down their noses at stay-at-home dads, there is sort of the same reaction to stay-at-home moms&#8230;FROM OTHER MOMS! I think when it comes down to it, we should just stop trying to put a title on the mentality that we all are equal (i.e. &#8220;feminism&#8221;), and just start respecting each other&#8217;s personal decisions in life. I applaud your heroism in the home, and your wife&#8217;s as well, for accepting and allowing the changes to happen.</p>
<p>Three cheers for your family!<br />
M :)<br />
<a href="http://Mandthe2Henrys.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://Mandthe2Henrys.blogspot.com</a><br />
<a href="http://HomemakerPhD.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://HomemakerPhD.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Stand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Stand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was very well written. I take exception to only one thing: your use of feminism. (I wonder how many people just stopped reading?)

Now, you may have used the term specifically to incite discussion (well done), but we need to do more than just redefine the word. Feminism has a long history of meaning, even a changing one, but to overcome the historical (and still existing) professional and educational disparity between men and women, it needed to tear apart patriarchal assumptions while building up women&#039;s abilities. Let us not take that away from the term (on top of which, some people will get hung up on semantics and ignore the real point). As a white male, while it frustrates me that affirmative action seems to protect every group by my own, I also understand that it was and is still important.

It is also important to move beyond. What you, Backpacking Dad, seem to be, is a humanist (I know I just complained about people arguing semantics and that&#039;s what I am doing, I know). Someone who is arguing for the equitable (not equal) contribution of both parents - not that they both do identical things, but that both have equally important roles to play.

Feminists, by necessity, had to tear down as they built up. Fathers (ignoring other potential situations where men get the short end of the stick, there may be a debate there that I want no part of at the moment), as you said, need to assert their willingness and their interest in being parents far more publicly and stridently than we have before. We don&#039;t need to tear down a mother&#039;s role to do that.

The goal (well, my goal anyway, I am projecting the rest) is that we get to the point where no one thinks of &quot;father&quot; as being synonymous with &quot;sperm doner.&quot; Some men are like that, but I think that disqualifies them from being fathers. When we get to the point that both parents are acknowledged for being parents and having something to contribute to the process, we will be in a good place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was very well written. I take exception to only one thing: your use of feminism. (I wonder how many people just stopped reading?)</p>
<p>Now, you may have used the term specifically to incite discussion (well done), but we need to do more than just redefine the word. Feminism has a long history of meaning, even a changing one, but to overcome the historical (and still existing) professional and educational disparity between men and women, it needed to tear apart patriarchal assumptions while building up women&#8217;s abilities. Let us not take that away from the term (on top of which, some people will get hung up on semantics and ignore the real point). As a white male, while it frustrates me that affirmative action seems to protect every group by my own, I also understand that it was and is still important.</p>
<p>It is also important to move beyond. What you, Backpacking Dad, seem to be, is a humanist (I know I just complained about people arguing semantics and that&#8217;s what I am doing, I know). Someone who is arguing for the equitable (not equal) contribution of both parents &#8211; not that they both do identical things, but that both have equally important roles to play.</p>
<p>Feminists, by necessity, had to tear down as they built up. Fathers (ignoring other potential situations where men get the short end of the stick, there may be a debate there that I want no part of at the moment), as you said, need to assert their willingness and their interest in being parents far more publicly and stridently than we have before. We don&#8217;t need to tear down a mother&#8217;s role to do that.</p>
<p>The goal (well, my goal anyway, I am projecting the rest) is that we get to the point where no one thinks of &#8220;father&#8221; as being synonymous with &#8220;sperm doner.&#8221; Some men are like that, but I think that disqualifies them from being fathers. When we get to the point that both parents are acknowledged for being parents and having something to contribute to the process, we will be in a good place.</p>
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